The Red Pill Rift

The Red Pill community has been experiencing some growing pains as of late, with most of the discourse being on social media between Red Pill advocates, those who have abandoned the Red Pill, and those who never identified as Red Pilled, but shared many common principles and ideals.  I am going to start taking to calling this situation as the Red Pill Rift and attempt to diagnose why it is occurring and if this means the end of the Red Pill.

The Red Pill Rift

So what is the Red Pill Rift and what’s causing it?  From quite a few lengthy discussions, it seems like the rift is being caused by primarily those loyal to the Red Pill clashing with those who’ve abandoned the Red Pill teachings.

The reason many have abandoned the Red Pill teachings typically stem to claims of the principles toxic or cynical in nature.  A few even claimed their relationships were ruined when they became Red Pilled.

Now I get where these people are coming from, I really do.  Many of us are familiar with the mantras of “AWALT” and “Hypergamy doesn’t care” that are constantly espoused on other Red Pill sites.  Take a minute to really look at those two phrases.  Whether intended to or not, these statements absolutely reek of cynicism.

Make note I’m not arguing to their validity, mind you (I actually think these phrases have merit, if not slightly hyperbolic), but think of the mental images that these phrases put in your mind.  Now imagine being inundated with these kinds of cynical images on every single Red Pill post you see.  It doesn’t take much imagining to see how this can turn a man very bitter very quickly.

The main question at this point is “Has the Red Pill gone so far to this extreme that we cannot change course?”

It’s a tough question to answer and one that I don’t see much point in speculating on.  I understand that the Red Pill community has some fairly toxic groups in it that basically spend all their time hating on women, but I would argue that that’s not what the Red Pill is ultimately about even though that’s how it’s sometimes used.

Red Pill Origins

If we go back to the beginning, the Red Pill community started off simply as a group of men seeking to uncover the truths of intersexual dynamics:

  • Why do women say one thing, but mean/do another?
  • What are men’s and women’s roles in society?
  • What  attracts women to men and vice versa?
  • How can a man change his appearance or behavior to successfully attract women?
  • What are obstacles and pitfalls that men need to look out for when trying to attract a woman?

As we rediscovered these truths, individual men and groups interpreted them in different ways.

Some took this information and devised how to best seduce women (PUAs).

Meanwhile, others saw the plight men faced and sought to level the playing field (MRAs).

Still others took this information and began applying it towards their marriages and long-term relationships (Traditionalists).

Who’s right and who’s wrong?  That is open for debate although I’d say they’re all essentially right.  See, the Red Pill is nothing more than a tool.  How the tool is used is incumbent upon the user.

We’ve talked before about transcending the red pill and while my views on that particular subject remain the same, I may have put the horse before the cart.  The Red Pill was never intended to be a full system of beliefs on society, politics, finances, etc.  Down at its root, the Red Pill is simply focused on intersexual dynamics; how men and women relate and interact.

This study has gradually branched out to encompass the many other aspects I covered above.  Again, I’m not what’s right or wrong.  I’m merely observing the fact that the Red Pill has gone way beyond its intended purpose.  This has led to both advances in the manosphere community at large as well as areas of contention.

Revitalizing the Red Pill

Revitalizing the Red Pill image would take some drastic overhauling, if that is even desired.  Many are content with how the Red Pill is right now.  Proponents like the unsympathetic bluntness that is the Red Pill message and think sugarcoating it will only lead to it being eventually feminized.

Those against the Red Pill, for reasons stated above, believe the lines are set too tight as to what is appropriate behaviors (ie – “Do X, Y, and Z or else you’re a beta cuck.”) and lacks flexibility as well as often bordering on the extreme.

Regardless who’s right or wrong, I believe the first step is separating the multiple facets that the Red Pill tries to encompass now and focus on it’s original purpose.

Separate, yet interconnected.

The other topics, while important for developing strong, competent men, simply don’t directly relate to the intended purpose of the Red Pill.


I’m going to have to stop the discussion here as I’m running late today, but I wanted to get your thoughts on the matter.  Has the Red Pill taken on more topics than it can or should handle?  Is there an underlying cynicism within the Red Pill community overall that is turning what was once eye-opening revelations into nothing more than sneering tropes?   Should the Red Pill be abandoned for something different?

I honestly don’t have all the answers, but I do see this rift starting to widen and am interested to see where it leads.

That being said, I am grateful for what the Red Pill has taught me.  It helped me save my marriage, but I would be remiss if I were to claim it is perfect.  There’s always room for improvement and that’s what we’re trying to do here; spread the Red Pill message in a way that every man can use.


Author: Jak

Jak, married and father of three, seeks to help the Red-Pill Community take its next step past the petty cynicism and ineffectual anger. While he recognizes that men are significantly handicapped by the modern legal system and culture, he doesn't accept that traditional marriage is untenable in today's social climate. Rather, men must be willing to adapt to this new world by implementing new tactics and approaches to maintaining a balance of power. Jak is here to provide you with these lessons.